We've Come For You All [BAN vs. everyone]

[Jokingjoe]

Yeah, I can't help much at all, it takes me 9 turns to make an attack on the highest ranked enemies.

Hopefully it is just as painful for you guys to try to hit me.

Sorry Darn, Kaz changed the coding a year or two ago taking away the uphit penalty for warfare. Upsorcing and Upscumming will still hurt, but not the attacks.

[Darnivan]

Well, they haven't been using war anyway. Almost all our kingdoms have been sorc killed or parking lotted and downsized since that was the easier mode of attack even with the turn cost.

That is why while our land total has been dropping fast no one else's land has been rising. Actually every guilds land has dropped during this war as we look the land and then got sorc killed sending it to the void

[Gili]

On another note, thanks for not listening to Gili about killing me before him so he could be king for a day.

I was only j/k mate I was just surprised to see myself #2 in the first place.

I suspect we're cool for peace, although our last war took a few extra days to get peace - if that happens now we'll be completely gone. Other parties interested in peace? If we can get yes's from GM or those who talk for them i will banner peace

[Nagash]

Yeah, peace would be good now that the stalemate has been broken. Non-agression pacts are unnecessary in my opinion. And for the record:

Good luck heathens! Sorc us to shit and all that! \m/

That's the last time I said that!

Good job though!

[Aeyliea]

Oh, no, I performed war actions and DSed any land taken. I don't know about anyone else, my goal was removing land from the pool in order to restore balance.

A 100K+ kingdom is not balanced though, since anyone attacking you or you attacking anyone in the future would be so much bad news....

I'll see what my cohorts and allies have to say about peace though. I personally thinkl we should kill the king first though

[Gili]

I believe we showed mercy in our war with you hopefully the chat with your cohorts/allies goes well.

[Nether]

I should have checked the boards before I played my kingdom. Peace is fine with me

[Kaz]

Yeah, I can't help much at all, it takes me 9 turns to make an attack on the highest ranked enemies.

Hopefully it is just as painful for you guys to try to hit me.

Sorry Darn, Kaz changed the coding a year or two ago taking away the uphit penalty for warfare. Upsorcing and Upscumming will still hurt, but not the attacks.

That's not 100% accurate.

The changes I made to turn costs actually made up hits harder. The previous incarnation made no changes to the turns spent when hitting up at all. My most recent changes reverted back to a situation where up hits gradually cost a few more turns (although they don't cost anywhere near as many as downhits).

When 'At War' the turn costs are comparative with how they used to function back in the day. The main difference is that the equation uses land rather than networth for the calculating factor. Obviously this makes a bigger difference in War because land is being actively transferred between the kingdoms.

This is posted somewhere else I'm sure, but I'll repost here too:

Scum and Sorc

At War

Up

100,000 vs 1,200,000 = 4 turns
100,000 vs 600,000 = 3 turns

Standard = 2 turns

Down

300,000 vs 100,000 = 3 turns
600,000 vs 100,000 = 4 turns
900,000 vs 100,000 = 5 turns
1,200,000 vs 100,000 = 6 turns
1,500,000 vs 100,000 = 7 turns
2,500,000 vs 100,000 = 8 turns

No War

Up

100,000 vs 1,200,000 = 4 turns
100,000 vs 600,000 = 3 turns

Standard = 2 turns

Down

125,000 vs 100,000 = 3 turns
150,000 vs 100,000 = 4 turns
200,000 vs 100,000 = 5 turns
250,000 vs 100,000 = 6 turns
300,000 vs 100,000 = 7 turns
400,000 vs 100,000 = 8 turns
600,000 vs 100,000 = 9 turns
800,000 vs 100,000 = 10 turns
1,000,000 vs 100,000 = 11 turns
1,200,000 vs 100,000 = 12 turnsMilitary Attacks

At War

Up

100,000 vs 1,200,000 = 6 turns
100,000 vs 600,000 = 5 turns

Standard = 4 turns

Down

300,000 vs 100,000 = 5 turns
600,000 vs 100,000 = 6 turns
900,000 vs 100,000 = 7 turns
1,200,000 vs 100,000 = 8 turns
1,500,000 vs 100,000 = 9 turns
2,500,000 vs 100,000 = 10 turns

No War

Up

100,000 vs 1,200,000 = 6 turns
100,000 vs 600,000 = 5 turns

Standard = 2 turns

Down

125,000 vs 100,000 = 5 turns
150,000 vs 100,000 = 6 turns
200,000 vs 100,000 = 7 turns
250,000 vs 100,000 = 8 turns
300,000 vs 100,000 = 9 turns
400,000 vs 100,000 = 10 turns
600,000 vs 100,000 = 12 turns
800,000 vs 100,000 = 15 turns
1,000,000 vs 100,000 = 20 turns
1,200,000 vs 100,000 = 25 turns

[Darnivan]

Oh, no, I performed war actions and DSed any land taken. I don't know about anyone else, my goal was removing land from the pool in order to restore balance.

A 100K+ kingdom is not balanced though, since anyone attacking you or you attacking anyone in the future would be so much bad news....

I'll see what my cohorts and allies have to say about peace though. I personally thinkl we should kill the king first though

I need to downsize the land if I want to build anyway. I wouldn't be keeping that 100k. I even downsized some of the land I took during the war.

[Stee Jans]

I'm afraid I couldn't get adequate revenge on the members of the royalty that 3-and-outed me, but I did manage to take out my frustrations on one of your lesser brethren.

[Maverick]

I will put temporary peace on our banner until everyone confirms.

[Aeyliea]

Since everyone else is fine with it, and since you DID show us mercy, I will let you guys off the hook. Ceasefire is bannered until a formal peace is brokered.

[Dauthi]

Blah,

Kaz if Turn bounties were on I'd have alteast 3-4 more kills already.

Just saying.... and peace is for P***ies, war baby!!

[Gili]

Thanks. I've just updated our banner for the cease fire.

[Gili]

Other than the usual goblins feeding on our weak, only aggro against us last night was a DR realm (50044) but the timing was quite close to the cease fire discussion on the board so presumably just didn't notice in time...no problem.

I'm going to banner that we're in full peace now...feel free to object if you so wish.

Thanks for allowing us to downsize, and good luck in the follow up wars....hopefully we'll sneak one more war before the end but i guess we'll see. ~Gili

[Tara]

I believe we showed mercy in our war with you hopefully the chat with your cohorts/allies goes well.

"Mercy"? Why? & how-so?

[Darnivan]

I'm guessing agreeing to peace when BaN and Empire did in the first war when we were about to take out their remaining kingdoms that were unbroken. I myself hit max turns like an hour after peace was declared that I was going to use to take out their last big kingdom.

[Aeyliea]

And how many licks do you think it woulda taken to get to the center of a Seskapop if Seska was, just to pull random circumstance out of the air, online? lol

[Darnivan]

It was about to take me around 20 seconds

[Gili]

DR could you declare peace please

...oh in game that is